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CNor's avatar

What's the difference between V&D and Surrender? I think to differentiate them you either need an extremely strong vaccine mandate (which sounds like you're not quite willing to bite the bullet on) or some sort of vaccine passport system (which, depending what it gates access to, could effectively be a soft mandate).

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Nathan Taylor's avatar

fair question. I'd say the key difference is how much you continue to try to get people vaccinated. Putting carrots and sticks to make that happen. Surrender means you give up on vaccines directly (red state surrender), or else pay lip service to it but in practice it doesn't go anywhere (blue state surrender).

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